Question about GW washe's.

[Berserker]

based on my experiences with wash over white prime models, if you are doing a black over white it will become quite grey. If you are interested and have time on a given tuesday night I normally bring my tzeentch deamon army to GW and it all painted using white prime and wash only. each model is done using only 1-2 washes and the wash choice changes per model, ie I have a model for each wash.

Ok now you have me VERY intressted sadly however I work monday to friday from 10am to 6pm and I carpool people so it will not be possible.

if I remember I can take a few picks and post them in the workshop for you.

that would be truly awesome of you.

[Gahris]

GW washes work really well, and its worthwhile to try differnt combinations. If you have a large surface more then about 1" in size, sometimes the wash will gather in strange areas.

When I use washes, I apply the basecoat, a highlight layer and then drench the model in wash. After it dries i go back and add a few more highlights in key areas and it looks great!

Orbital is 100% correct in don't water them down with water at all. They should be ready for use straight from the pot

These work really well out of the pot:

Blue wash on metal - Very nice effect on silver metallics

Green wash on red - Adds great contrasts. I use this on alot of my red painted figures

Red wash on brown - Works really well.

Sepia wash on almost everything - This light brown/tan wash works on literally everything!

Black wash on metallics - Ages and adds alot of demension to silver metallics

Green wash on gold/bronze metallic - adds a nice rusted look

Brown wash makes a good rust effect if you apply it a few times.


EDIT - I've seen TRF army and it looks really nice in person. Washes on white primer works really well for organic models like nids, deamons, nature stuff, etc

[Skimask_Mohawk]

A good way to paint white is codex grey as a basecoat, then astronomicon grey then white. You'll need to water the white down for thin coats but it looks super nice in the end. Sadly I have no pictures of the models I've done this way.

[Kilroy's Boots]

based on my experiences with wash over white prime models, if you are doing a black over white it will become quite grey. If you are interested and have time on a given tuesday night I normally bring my tzeentch deamon army to GW and it all painted using white prime and wash only. each model is done using only 1-2 washes and the wash choice changes per model, ie I have a model for each wash.

Shah knows of which he speaks. Black over white/grey = grey. To help, apply a LIBERAL amount of the wash. Slop it all over the model. Like totally cover him, or dunk it. That'll be the easiest part, highlighting it back up to white will be a pain.

Two things to remember with washes: They can fill in detail if used too much, and tend to chip quite easily on metal models... even with a top coat.

[TrentL]

When "Slopping" it on make sure you look at the model for area's that TOO much is gathering.

For instance when slopping it on one of my assault marine's I did not notice that some had gathered between his shoulder pad and jump pack, when it dried I had a "Glob" stuck there which was a pain to get rid of. So while you do lather it on, make sure to remove some (Just dry your brush off to soak up the excess) on area's your getting too much.

I also found for things with alot of detail (Like faces) the "Glob it on" tended not to work as well because it made going back over detail area's (Like eyes) difficult because it pooled and dried.

So faces and high detail items like eagles on chests I do put alot on but I try not to drown it.

Those are just my experiences different for each person.

[Kilroy's Boots]

When "Slopping" it on make sure you look at the model for area's that TOO much is gathering.

For instance when slopping it on one of my assault marine's I did not notice that some had gathered between his shoulder pad and jump pack, when it dried I had a "Glob" stuck there which was a pain to get rid of. So while you do lather it on, make sure to remove some (Just dry your brush off to soak up the excess) on area's your getting too much.

I also found for things with alot of detail (Like faces) the "Glob it on" tended not to work as well because it made going back over detail area's (Like eyes) difficult because it pooled and dried.

So faces and high detail items like eagles on chests I do put alot on but I try not to drown it.

Those are just my experiences different for each person.

I don't see that as being too different from my experiences, as I've already stated it can fill in detail. Just apply the wash and make sure to not leave any bubbles. They're not really intended for use on models that are supposed to have clean lines. They really work well on models that have organic or more textured modelling. For example, the majority of my experience comes from washing 50 Nurgle Plaguebearers.

[Berserker]

Well I decided to redo the metallic part of my soul grinder with a badab black wash and it took my model from looking good to looking awesome.

A few things I noticed when using the wash...
1) If I use a old dry brush that is all frizzled out it grabs a lot more wash then a new brush will and when applying it to a vehicle size model it means I don't have to dip my brush in the pot as often.

2) I find the best look is when I continuously stroke the brush in the same direction. ( At 1st I was going all over the piece just trying to get coverage and it wasn't that great but when I always moved the brush the same direction it made a more uniform finish )

3) Its amazing how finally being able to make something that looks good after so many failed attempt can motivated someone to paint.

As for my deamonettes I made up my mind and I'll try to follow the codex as much as I can by making the skin grey there armor black and metal and there hair purple. ( After much consideration I figured grey being a neutral color pretty much makes it match with anything and purple does complement red I believe ).

Note: When I say red and purple I mean Blood red and lich purple

[Sallieman]

Note: When I say red and purple I mean Blood red and lich purple

You mean blood orange? just joking but i do find blood red alot more orange then red, but yes they should go together ok.

[Tokkan]

You mean blood orange?

HAR! INDEED. Basecoats of Mech-red seem to mellow it nicely, though.

Which reminds me, I really need to start testing things on practice models. I bought some new blazing orange, in hopes it wasn't as bad as the stuff that was sitting in an attic for a decade.

It seems they're still using the same formula... that makes it look way to watered down, straight from the pot. Looks like I need to learn how to blend well.

[TrentL]

I get a decent red with Blood Red overtop of white basecoat, and do a baal wash, and then touch up with blood red, looks decent on my Blood Angels.

I find the washes are awesome if used well... I have seen what they do for Mandy's Orks its masterful on Skin, so I can only assume on things like demons it would be awesome. On Marine's you need to use it a bit more controlled with the large flat surfaces.